(--NOTE!--) About payments / or deserve codes

Dear Thanatermesis,

first of all, many thanks for this amazing distro. It is a really great
work. I have elive installed and update it periodically. Presently it
is 1.9.60. Due to my good experience with elive I plan to install it on
all my computers in my small network at home and to use it as my base
system. I have download 2.0 Topaz and start an update, but stopped it
on the question of payment. I think it is okay to pay for the stable
version Topaz because open source software means not automatically
free of charge. But when the installer ask me for payment the first time
and I agree and go on what about the second and the following
installations? Do I have to pay for each installation like Microsoft
style?

Many thanks in avance
for your comments

Greetings

Squirrel



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 08/24/2011 09:42PM by anu.

Squirrel,
I am not trying to defend the man but I have the impression that he works on this distro all by himself. If not the case I think his team is very small unlike Microsoft with huge resources.
From my own experience each machine will need its own installer paid for. Maybe he can give you a deal since you are running a network.

From what I read in another post, it seems you can install as many times as you like on the same PC. You also have two installs for the one payment. When you pay, you have to download the installer and the site automatically gives you two.

I have the same problem. I have a 5 PC home network. I run all sorts of distros and chop and change them frequently from machine to machine. I will never have more than two PCs with Elive at any one time, but I might want to have it on different PCs each time. This won't be possible under current permissions.

Dear arjay,

many thanks for this information. I will try this.

Greetings

Squirrel

Dear joplass,

may be you are right and he is working allone. But I will not compare him with Microsoft. Really not. My deep respect to him and for his work. I only mean the procedure of installation and give it as example. I think it is solved now.and will try and see. Sorry for misunderstanding.

Greetings

Squirrel

Dear Squirrel!
Well, it is like Microsoft, you have to pay for each stable upgrade. I really hate that attitude. This whole installer-shite makes it a horror to install (e.g. if you have no Internetconnection). It is a shame, since Debian is really my favourite Distribution, and the E17 looks cool and is brave on low resources. All in all, the behaving of this guy is very weired, and it keeps me from advertising his Distro. Still, its partly amazing good work.

You do not have to pay. It Is Donation only. But if you are greedy, you can just write an article and get invites.
Or at least read FAQ. And do not write some kind of shit.



Asus EeePC 1000H [Elive 2.0 Topaz]
Toshiba Satellite p10-802 -ATI video, ATI chipset, RealTech audio- [Elive 2.0 Topaz]
I hate ATI... but I love Elive. It work with ATI with no problem.

Thanks for the heads up DronAn,

Didn't realise elive was still donations based but guess the whole buildup to the new system of donations/payment was kinda confusing when I first heard about it.

For me personally elive will be a desktop and laptop install and will be more than happy to donate to keep elive going even if a bit short of cash right now. So will stick to the unstable for now and then move to stable in a few weeks or so.

Dear all,

I tried again to install version 2.0, agreed to pay and fill up the
form. At least I have to confirm the terms and conditions of PayPal
independent of the way of payment. I tried it via credit card and via
bank account. Without confirmation of these terms you cannot pay. I
have read the explanations of these terms. It is a lot to read. But
there are to much open questions. In these terms I have to accept that
my data are checked via SCHUFA. It is okay for me to check my credit and
to know whether I am in conflict with any law concerning payment or
not. But send it also to Arvato? Arvato is a service company and a part
of the Bertelsmann Group. There are already known issues with insecure
data. What should they do with my data? And I have also to accept that
my data should send to eBay. Why? I have no eBay account. What shall
eBay do with my data? Even in this time where misusing data is growing
more and more anybody should be careful what he agree. I already have
bad experiences in this matter. In this form I have to give my name,
address, birthday, e-mail address and bank account. This is a sensible
case. I don't want to distribute my personel data all over the world.

From all distros with E17 as desktop environment I have tried, elive
is the best. But to have it under all circumstances? No. I have no idea
how to solve it.

I think I stick on 1.9.60 for a while untill I find a solution.

Greetings

Squirrel

Squirrel Wrote:
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> Dear all,
>
> I tried again to install version 2.0, agreed to
> pay and fill up the
> form. At least I have to confirm the terms and
> conditions of PayPal
> independent of the way of payment. I tried it via
> credit card and via
> bank account. Without confirmation of these terms
> you cannot pay. I
> have read the explanations of these terms. It is a
> lot to read. But
> there are to much open questions. In these terms I
> have to accept that
> my data are checked via SCHUFA. It is okay for me
> to check my credit and
> to know whether I am in conflict with any law
> concerning payment or
> not. But send it also to Arvato? Arvato is a
> service company and a part
> of the Bertelsmann Group. There are already known
> issues with insecure
> data. What should they do with my data? And I have
> also to accept that
> my data should send to eBay. Why? I have no eBay
> account. What shall
> eBay do with my data? Even in this time where
> misusing data is growing
> more and more anybody should be careful what he
> agree. I already have
> bad experiences in this matter. In this form I
> have to give my name,
> address, birthday, e-mail address and bank
> account. This is a sensible
> case. I don't want to distribute my personel data
> all over the world.
>
> From all distros with E17 as desktop environment I
> have tried, elive
> is the best. But to have it under all
> circumstances? No. I have no idea
> how to solve it.
>
> I think I stick on 1.9.60 for a while untill I
> find a solution.
>
> Greetings
>
> Squirrel


Think I will wait for the payment issue to be resolved before installing. Don't understand why you had to go to eBay and the others. I know eBay own or are owned by PayPal but don't get the sense behind the other stuff.

Perhaps T needs to rewrite that bit of the installer and stick to one payment system Paypal and dump all the extras. If you have a PayPal account and make payment that way your details are already verified and there is no need for all the other crap.

As I said before payment makes sense but this implementation has not been properly thought out! The key to any successful system is simplicity and freedom for the user.

I have no problem to make a donation. But not under this terms and conditions. It is a data security risk. It would be better to give a bank account for these kind of payments and the user can pay directly.

Greetings

Squirrel

I agree with Squirrel. It's preferable to make a transference to a bank acount provided by T. Paypal should not be the only option to pay for Elive.

ok i paid/donated my 15 dollars, downloaded it on a friends computer, put it on a usb stick to install on my computer; but it wont let me?! Am i out of my 15 dollers?
also, i feel its a slap in the face to charge in such a under-handed way, it's really disgusting to be forced to pay each additional time that i install it on my other computers. this is a real turn off for a linux distro tht is (in my opinion) very good.
please assist me in this matter concerning installing the mod from my usb stick.

thank you in advance

david aka determinedblkman

Hi determinedblkman,

this thread is for the payment problem. You have already paid. For the problem of your installation it is better to create an own thread.

If you have the installer module on your USB stick plug it in during installation. The installer will ask you about the modules location. Select it on your stick and the installation will continue.

Greetings

Squirrel

The whole issue of payment confused me when i tried to install E2. (I'm VERY happy with E1/Gem - it is by far the most compatible distro with my vast range of typically older hardware).

I had made a payment/donation at the time of downloading E2 becasue I was so happy with what E1/Gem had achieved for me. Then when I tried to install E2 to HDD it asked me for some kind of authorisation code or file that was related to the payment. I didn't know what it meant so didn't go ahead with the install.

I have not seen any tutorial explaining how this payment/install procedure is supposed to work. Does anyone recommend any particular thread or link that details the process?

thx.

DronAn Wrote:
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> You do not have to pay. It Is Donation only. But
> if you are greedy, you can just write an article
> and get invites.
> Or at least read FAQ. And do not write some kind
> of shit.

Yeah, if you are a greedy jerk then either start your own review website or get hired at another - then spend hours testing elive and writing a detailed report so that you can advertise its existence all over the net. What a bunch of cheap, lazy people.

Now, kindly direct me to the 'free' install option. I tried to download the unstable version and all of the download servers have been taken down, even at hosting sites that keep previous versions on file for free. You can't just SAY there are non-paying options, you have to actually provide them. I've already said it on here, but it bears repeating - if you're going to be software developer and you want to strike it rich, charging for Debian with an enlightenment front end is not the way to make that happen. And treating people who expect to install Linux for free (gasp!) before they decide to make a donation like a bunch of bums isn't going to help your cause.

FYI, I paid $15 for my lunch yesterday. I used that much fuel to commute to work. I spend twice that in a week on energy drinks. I'm not some poor russian begging for a free license, I live in Cali and $15 is NOTHING to me. I showed up 10 minutes for work this morning and I'd already made $15 before I got to my desk. But with it's current model, elive won't EVER get $15 from me. I won't pay $5, I won't pay $1. I won't waste my energy talking about it anywhere but here.

Relax, it is right here [elive.leviathan-avc.com] and it is pretty nice.